Description This entry shows one option for migrating a WinCC flexible 2008 SP3 project to WinCC (TIA Portal)V11 SP2 in a 64-bit operating system.
Instructions
Install Update 3 for WinCC V11 SP2. Update 3 enables you to migrate a WinCC flexible 2008 SP3 project directly to WinCC V11 SP2.
More information about Update 3 for WinCC V11 SP2 is available in Entry ID: 58112582.
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Migration of integrated projects to WinCC (TIA Portal)
Creation environment The screens and downloads in this FAQ response were created with WinCC flexible 2008 SP2 and WinCC Advanced V11.
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Migration of a project integrated in STEP 7 from WinCC flexible to WinCC (TIA Portal)?
Task Your customer has an MP 277 Touch configuration integrated in STEP 7.
For a subsequent plant/machine only the MP 277 Touch configuration described is to be migrated to
WinCC (TIA Portal) and replaced by a Comfort Panel.
Description This entry shows one option for migrating only the WinCC flexible project to WinCC (TIA Portal).
A description is given of the separate steps for migrating the multipanel to WinCC (TIA Portal).
This is followed by a description of how to change the MP 277 Touch configuration into a Comfort Panel.
Note
Alternatively you can migrate the complete configuration, STEP 7 incl. the integrated
WinCC flexible 2008 SP2 configuration, to WinCC (TIA Portal).
Contents of the PDF document
1 General Information
1.1 Migrating a WinCC flexible Project Integrated in STEP 7
1.2 WinCC (TIA Portal) Versions
2 Copying an Integrated HMI Project from STEP 7
3 Migrating an HMI Project to WinCC Comfort V11
4 Changing the Operator Panel to a Comfort Panel
Description
Unlike a project-specific WinCC flexible library, you cannot migrate global libraries directly from WinCC flexible to WinCC (TIA Portal).
Information on the topic of libraries:
Project library
The project library is stored together with the project in which it was created. In this way a project library is migrated automatically to WinCC (TIA Portal) with the project created.
Global library
The global library is not stored with the project created.
The system library supplied is in the installation directory of WinCC flexible, for example. Own libraries are stored under "Documents and Settings", for example, if the default path is used. In this way a global library is not migrated automatically to WinCC (TIA Portal) with the WinCC flexible configuration.
Proceed as follows to transfer a global WinCC flexible library to WinCC (TIA Portal).
Function description A new MP 277 Touch project was created for this procedure. You can also use an existing WinCC flexible configuration. The operator panel you use must support the objects etc. used in the global library.
Brief description
Open the global library in which the objects are located and which you wish to transfer to WinCC (TIA Portal).
Insert all the required objects into an existing picture or pictures.
Migrate the WinCC flexible configuration to WinCC (TIA Portal).
Open the migrated project in WinCC (TIA Portal).
Open the global library of WinCC (TIA Portal).
Insert the objects in the pictures into the global library of
WinCC (TIA Portal).
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Description of functions (detail)
1
Create a new project An "MP 277 Touch" project was created for this procedure. No other functions or the like are required apart from the default "Home Page".
2
Open global library of WinCC flexible
In the menu bar you select the fifth icon: "Opens a library" (Fig. 01).
The "Global Library" window opens.
Fig. 01
Select global libraries
Insert the desired global library in the "Open global library" window.
In this example we have selected the "Graphics" library in the "System Libraries" folder.
Fig. 02
Select objects
Mark an object in the global library selected (Fig. 03) and drag-and-drop it into the screen that opens (Fig. 04).
Fig. 03
Inserted objects (Fig. 04).
Fig. 04
Finally you save the whole configuration.
3
Migrate the project to WinCC (TIA Portal) Open the WinCC (TIA Portal) and migrate the WinCC flexible configuration.
A description of how to migrate a WinCC flexible project to WinCC (TIA Portal) is available in the manual in Entry ID 53385672 (Chapter 4).
4
Create new global library in WinCC (TIA Portal)
Open the migrated project in WinCC (TIA Portal).
Open the "Libraries" task card.
Select the "Global libraries" palette and click the first icon, "Create new global library", to create a new global library (Fig. 05).
A dialog box opens.
Here you enter a name and the storage path for the global library just created.
The new global library is called "WinCC flexible Objects" in this example.
Fig. 05
Copy objects from the picture(s) into the global library
Open the picture with the objects from the WinCC flexible library.
Drag-and-drop the separate objects into the global library
"WinCC flexible Objects > Master copies" (Fig. 06). Note
You can also mark multiple objects and copy them into the global library using drag-and-drop. These are then grouped together as "one" object.
Fig. 06
Save the global library
Click the third icon, "Save the changes to the library",
to save the changes/extension (Fig. 07).
Fig. 07
This completes the migration of a global WinCC flexible library to WinCC (TIA Portal).
Keywords Migration, Transfer
In WinCC flexible, how can you prevent pictures and picture objects being fitted automatically when you change the screen resolution (possibly widescreen)?
Description As from WinCC flexible 2008 SP2 it is possible to operate WinCC flexible Runtime in widescreen mode. If you want to convert your 4:3 project into a widescreen project, it is recommended to disable the setting "Fit screen and screen objects to new HMI device".
This setting is enabled by default in WinCC flexible and means that when you change to widescreen mode, all the picture objects are stretched and lose their original shape.
Instructions Proceed as described in the table below to disable the setting "Fit screen and screen objects to new HMI device".
No.
Procedure
1
Open your WinCC flexible project.
2
Open the Settings dialog and via "Screen editor > Screen options > Settings" you disable the option "Fit screen and screen objects to new HMI device".
Fig. 01
3
Now you can change the screen resolution in the device settings.
Configuration Notes:
Normally, you cannot install different versions of whatever software on a system at the same time.
Furthermore, not all branches allow updating of a target just like that. They specify defined versions of the software.
Taking WinCC flexible as an example, we will look at the following questions in more detail.
Always make a backup before you edit an old project.
If you open an old WinCC flexible project with a more recent version of WinCC flexible, a backup file is created automatically (see Entry ID: 21896449):
What are the options for working with different versions of WinCC flexible at the same time?
No.
Options
1
Using a second configuration computer.
You are using multiple configuration computers with different software versions.
2
Using a dual boot system.
There are multiple boot partitions on one PC, on each of which a different version of the software is installed.
3
Using a ghost image.
Depending on the version of the software that has to be used, the relevant image file is installed on the PC.
4
Using a "virtual machine" (e.g. VMware Workstation).
With this software you can use multiple operating systems at the same time on one computer by virtualizing.
The relevant version of the software is then installed on each "virtual machine".
Note: Use of the SIMATIC software in a "virtual machine" has not been system tested. SIEMENS AG provides no support for use of the software in a "virtual machine".
The relevant terms of license of the Microsoft company apply for using "VMware".
How can you edit old projects without having to save them in the new"version of the software"?
No.
Procedure
1
If you open an old WinCC flexible project with a more recent version of WinCC flexible, you first get a message indicating that the current configuration has been created with an older version of WinCC flexible.
After acknowledging this message, the project is converted automatically to the latest version. A backup is also made of the "old version".
You can then edit the configuration and save it via the menu item "Project > Save as version". More information is available in Entry ID: 33934262 .
Notes:
You can only save the configuration by one version lower (n-1) than the project file. No "(n-1)" Runtime file can be generated and transferred to the target device.
If you use functions that are only supported in the new version, then you cannot convert these functions.
To transfer the (n-1) version to the panel, you need a WinCC flexible "n-1" installation that you use to open and generate the "saved version".
Can you save a newly created project as a specific version of the project?
No.
Procedure
1
You can save newly created projects via the menu item "Project > Save as version".
Note that you can only save the configuration by one version lower (n-1) than the project file. No "(n-1)" Runtime file can be generated and transferred to the target device.
What should you pay attention to when upgrading a system (project transfer to the Panel or PC Runtime)?
No.
Procedure
1
Operating system update (Panels):
Depending on the version of WinCC flexible used, there are predefined versions of the image file (operating system version) for each operator panel.
Before a configuration is transferred to an operator panel, the system checks whether the right version of the operating system is on that operator panel.
If the image version on the operator panel does not match the version of WinCC flexible used, you receive a message telling you that you must first update the operating system.
How to do an OS update is described in Entry ID: 19701610
An overview of the matching image versions of WinCC flexible and the various operating panels is available in Entry ID: 21742389.
Notes:
An OS update overwrites all the internal user data on the Panel
(recipes, passwords, licenses and OS settings).
If you have changed/edited recipes or passwords online on the panel, you can save them using the "ProSave" software and then transfer them back to the panel after the OS update has been completed.
Use the "Automation License Manager" to backup licenses.
By transferring the right image version you can always adapt the operator panel to the relevant version of WinCC flexible.
2
Operating system update (Panel PCs / PC Runtime systems):
There are no special image files for Panel PCs and PC Runtime systems.
For these systems you must install the appropriate WinCC flexible Runtime software in each case. Furthermore, you must change the Runtime license for each version accordingly.
3
General notes:
Machine downtimes:
Remember that an OS update can take several minutes (depending on the panel) and the subsequent transfer of the configuration takes longer the first time.
Settings on the panel:
After an OS update, you must reset various settings, e.g. Transfer settings.
You should calibrate Touch Panels.
(Control Panel > OP > Touch > Recalibrate)
Cables required:
Check beforehand which cable connection your panel supports
(see Entry ID: 19109408)
If you are using a version of VMware, it is not possible to connect via a CP5512 or CP5611 (the CPs are not supported by the VMware).
In this case you must transfer the configuration via a serial cable, a USB cable (see Entry ID: 19142034) or an Ethernet cable (crossed cable) (see Entry ID: 23800567).
How do you migrate a ProTool project with SIMOTION CPU connection to a WinCC flexible project and SIMOTION SCOUT?
Instructions: Below is the procedure for migrating/converting old SIMOTION SCOUT projects with integrated ProTool projects.
First, open the SIMOTION project with the SIMOTION SCOUT.
In the case of projects created with an older version of SIMOTION SCOUT, you must convert the SIMOTION SCOUT project to the latest version of SIMOTION SCOUT.
Save and then close the SIMOTION project.
Now start WinCC flexible.
Select the "Open ProTool Project" menu and select the
STEP 7 icon "Integrated".
Navigate to the integrated ProTool project and click on Open.
The ProTool migration wizard starts and guides you through migration of the
ProTool project to WinCC flexible.
Upon completion of the migration the resulting WinCC flexible project opens. Save the project and close WinCC flexible.
Now, in the Hardware Config or NetPro, you must network the WinCC flexible project again with the SIMOTION controller.
Note that now the both the new WinCC flexible station and the ProTool Station are in your project.
If the new WinCC flexible station is to have the same address as the ProTool station previously used, then you must first change/remove the address of the ProTool station before you can assign that address to the WinCC flexible station.
ProTool projects integrated in PC stations:
ProTool projects integrated in PC stations cannot be migrated automatically to PC stations. A new HMI PC station is created upon migration.
In this case, follow the steps below:
Insert WinCC flexible RT from the hardware catalog into the PC station (P350) and save the project in the Hardware Config.
Migration and insertion of WinCC flexible RT produces 2 HMI projects (migrated and empty) in a STEP 7 project.
Open/start WinCC flexible and the empty project.
Open the migrated HMI project and the mark the HMI device and copy using "Copy" in the pop-up menu.
Switch to the previous WinCC flexible project.
Mark the HMI device in the project navigator and use the "Replace" pop-up menu to insert the HMI device from the clipboard into the empty project.
It might be necessary to reselect the P350 station in the current connection settings, i.e. delete the present station and reselect it.
More information:
Compatibility table:
At the following link you will find information on the software components released with WinCC flexible. Pay attention in particular to the compatibility between WinCC flexible and SIMOTION SCOUT. Entry ID: 22635649
More information of the topic of "WinCC flexible Migration" is available in the WinCC flexible migration manual in Entry ID: 18796902
What connections are there between the version designations in WinCC flexible?
Description
Through the introduction of different new operator panels and configuration software, only specific versions of the software can be used to configure the operator panels.
Configuration of the operator panels also depends on the edition of the Engineering Software. For example, the MP377 can be configured as from WinCC flexible 2008 and only with the Standard or Advanced edition of WinCC flexible.
Fig. 01
Configuration Notes When creating a project or changing the type of operator panel in WinCC flexible 2005 and higher, you can specify the default (current) version of the operator panel (specify the version of the operator panel).
By way of example, Fig. 02 shows an MP370 Touch version 7.1.0.0 selected for WinCC flexible 2005.
Fig. 02
Attachment 1 lists the associated versions for WinCC flexible.
The table is designed to help you identify the versions used and thus avoid version conflicts.
Notes
The following notes also apply for older versions of WinCC flexible.
Generator, Runtime and Simulation in WinCC flexible 2008 can only be started if the new operator panel versions are set for WinCC flexible 2008.
Please refer to the relevant manual for how to read out the version of your operator panel.
If you use WinCC flexible 2008 to open an older project that was last saved in WinCC flexible 2007, the operator panel version is automatically changed to the current version. Information on an update of the operator panel or a PC station is available in Entry ID: 19701610.
Keywords
Image, flexible, Panel, Micro, ProSave, OS
How do you adapt tag names to the name structure of WinCC flexible after a ProTool migration?
Instructions: Unlike ProTool, WinCC flexible provides structure tag names.
If you have integrated the WinCC flexible project in STEP 7 and are working with the symbolic connection, then the tag name in WinCC flexible is structured as follows in the "Name" column.
<DB Name>.<Symbol Name>
Fig. 01
After migration of a ProTool project to WinCC flexible only the symbol name of the tag is entered in the "Name" tag field.
Changing a name connection:
If after migration of a ProTool project you wish change the name connection to the new WinCC flexible standard, then please proceed as follows.
No.
Procedure
1
Change a name connection: Mark the first item in the "Symbol" column with a double-click and delete the item. Alternatively you can also use the "Backspace".
Then the text <Undefined> is displayed in the "Symbol" field.
Using the "Generate Mass Data" function, select and drag field, you can edit all the following entries in the "Symbol" column.
Fig. 02
2
Connect new tag: Mark all the tags and via "Options > Reconnect..." you call the function "Reconnect...". A pop-up menu opens. Here you select the functions as shown in Fig. 03 and acknowledge with "OK". The function is then executed.
Fig. 03
After the function has been executed the "Name" shows the new tag names changed to the WinCC flexible standard.
Note:
There must be a connection configured for the function to be executed properly.
Which changes have to be made in WinCC flexible 2004 SP1 when changing over from TP 170micro to TP 177micro or from TP 170A to TP 177A?
Configuration Notes:
The procedure described is based on the example of changing over from TP 170micro to the innovative TP 177micro. This procedure can also be applied for the changeover from TP 170A to TP 177A. Basically, projects created WinCC flexible can also be used for the new panels. But for some areas changes have to be made after changing over devices. These changes are explained in detail below.
(1) Change device type Start WinCC flexible and open your TP 170micro project. Right-click on Project View on your operator panel (TP 170micro). Now the option "Change device type" is available to you.
Fig. 01
To change your operator panel to TP 177micro you can choose between the landscape and portrait formats.
Fig. 02
Fig. 03
(2) Transparent mode Once you have changed the operator panel the transparent mode is not effective. This means that the fields (e.g. I/O) are displayed with a white background and might hide other fields.
Fig. 04
There are various options available for making changes. You can edit the size of the fields in the Properties window (Layout) by selecting "Autosizing" or change the margins. You also have another option of changing the layer technique.
Fig. 05
Fig. 06
(3) Font size Since the TP 177micro only permits a maximum font size of 20, when transferring the project to the panel larger font sizes are automatically converted into smaller ones. After the consistency check or during the transfer, you get documentation in the Output window about which characters have been affected.
Fig. 07
You can make subsequent changes in the Properties window (Text Field).
Fig. 08
(4) Portrait Basically there two options for the migration from TP 170micro to TP 177micro Portrait. In the "Properties" menu you can use the "Screen editor" to activate/deactivate automatic fitting of the screen and screen objects.
Fig. 09
Fig. 10
If you activate the setting "Fit screen and screen objects to new HMI device", all objects are shown in the portrait display. The screen objects are truncated or distorted. In such cases you must edit manually afterwards.
Fig. 11
If you deactivate the setting "Fit screen and screen objects to new HMI device", only an excerpt of the "original screen object" is shown in the portrait display. Some objects might be off the screen and are displayed in their original size on the screen. In such cases you must edit manually afterwards as necessary.
Fig. 12
Note: For configuring the TP 177micro with WinCC flexible 2004 you need one of the following versions:
WinCC flexible 2004 SP1 Micro (for SP1 see Entry ID: 21139372)
or WinCC flexible 2004 SP2 Micro (for SP2 see Entry ID: 21651786)
WinCC flexible 2004 SP1 (for SP1 see Entry ID: 19987959) with Hardware Support Package (HSP) 1.0 or 1.1 (for HSP 1.1 see Entry ID: 19241467)
For configuring the TP 177A with WinCC flexible 2004 you need WinCC flexible 2004 SP1 (for SP1 see Entry ID: 19987959) with Hardware Support Package (HSP) 1.1 (see Entry ID: 19241467).
